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CC Refinement Amendment (21st Consti Amendment)

Discussion in 'General Gallery' started by Nathaniel Penrose, Apr 22, 2018.

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What is your opinion of this bill?

  1. I agree with it.

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  2. I'd like to see some changes.

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  1. Nathaniel Penrose

    Nathaniel Penrose Minister of Domestic Affairs Minister Central Committee PRAF

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    21st Constitutional Amendment (Central Committee Refinement Amendment 2018)

    An act to Improve the running of the Central Committee and clarify the process of electing a Premier.

    Now, therefore, BE IT ENACTED by the order of the glorious Constitution of this People's Republic, by and with the advice and consent of the democratically elected representatives of the Central Committee of The Communist Bloc, in holding the public mandate, in this present committee assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows-


    ARTICLE I Short Title
    (1) This act may be cited as the "21st Constitutional Amendment" or “ the Central Committee Refinement Amendment 2018”.

    ARTICLE II Definitions
    (2) “Principal Act” shall refer to the current bill here presented.
    (3) The "CC" shall refer to the Central Committee.
    (4) The "GS "will refer to the General Secretary.
    (5) A "CCM" shall refer to a Central Committee Member
    (6) A "deadlock" shall refer to an instance when at least three (3) Premier votes have ended in such a way that legal minimum of CCMs cannot agree on a choice for the office of Premier.


    ARTICLE III Provisions
    (7) Article II of the Constitution of the People's Republic will be amended to include the following:

    (14) The GS shall appoint an Interim Chair to oversee the election of the new Premier. This position may not open votes for laws nor have the constitutional normal powers afforded to the Premier. The Interim Chair may only serve to open and close the Premier Votes, and institute the options stated in Clause 16 in the event of a deadlock.

    (15) The Premier of the CC shall be a politically neutral position. The incumbent is prohibited from showing any favor toward or accepting the orders from any political party and its leadership.

    (i) The Premier may still retain memberships and positions in political parties.

    (16) If the Central Committee is at a deadlock for the selection of the Premier, the Interim Chair (the definitions of which are stated in Article II, Clause 15) shall have the options to instate and oversee one of the following options:

    • The required threshold will be lowered to a simple majority, and the committee will choose between the three individuals that received the most amount of votes in the election. This will be followed by a public referendum of confirmation for the selected nominee.
    • The GS will have full discretion in selecting a Premier for this term of the CC. The GS may only be allowed to choose from the CCMs that received the most, second most, and third most votes in most recent the CC election.
    • The Interim Chair shall ask the GS to pass a vote of no confidence in the abilities of the current CC (the GS shall be obligated to accept).

    If one course of action fails, the Interim Chair is allowed to choose from another of the above options.

    ARTICLE IV Schedule
    (8) The principal act shall come into force immediately upon passage of the Central Committee with a 2/3rds majority and with the passage of a referendum.

    (Proposed and written by Nathaniel Penrose)
     
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  2. Zrezków Trzebry

    Zrezków Trzebry Central Committee Central Committee

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    This bill looks good enough, I would agree with it.
     
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  3. Vlad Schpilkes

    Vlad Schpilkes Minister of Intelligence Minister Central Committee PRC Member PRAF

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    Can you get rid of the quotes so we can quote the legislation?

    The Premier of the CC shall be a politically neutral position, and the incumbent must officially serve on the committee as an independent while retaining the office. (i) The Premier may still retain memberships and positions in political parties.

    This is contradictory. To be Independent means to not have membership in any party. Anyways, I am not in favor of having the Premier be Independent by law.

    Another big problem here: What if the previous Premier was voted off of the CC?
     
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  4. Vlad Schpilkes

    Vlad Schpilkes Minister of Intelligence Minister Central Committee PRC Member PRAF

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    I would prefer that there be an official order to this.
     
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  5. Vasilevskiy The Bear

    Vasilevskiy The Bear Central Committee Central Committee

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    I like that Article III Sec III now includes a few options to use, given different situations and problems that arise during that process.

    It allows the Premier to use discretion to react to the political climate and still effectively hold and execute proper and Constitutionally sound elections, if you will.

    In addition, as the Premier is a further elected position from the CC, I say we place faith in that office by allowing for the use of discretion instead of a set of orders. Just my opinion.

    Im in support.
     
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  6. Nathaniel Penrose

    Nathaniel Penrose Minister of Domestic Affairs Minister Central Committee PRAF

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    For the independent thing, I simply wanted to make it clear that that they cannot favor one party over the other. I was hoping to accomplish something to the affect of what Tarrin did for the General Secretariat. As for the premier having been booted off. You raise a valid point, I’ll adjust it accordingly.
     
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  7. Nathaniel Penrose

    Nathaniel Penrose Minister of Domestic Affairs Minister Central Committee PRAF

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    I was going to make it like that, but I decided it’d be better for there be a degree of freedom of action in this case. That way the previous premier can chose the option that best fits the severity of the situation.
     
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  8. Vlad Schpilkes

    Vlad Schpilkes Minister of Intelligence Minister Central Committee PRC Member PRAF

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    You should say that then. When you say Independent, know that it means "someone who is not a member of any party"
     
  9. Nathaniel Penrose

    Nathaniel Penrose Minister of Domestic Affairs Minister Central Committee PRAF

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    Alright will do.
     
  10. Tarrin Kael

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    Er, no:

    1/ As written, this act will also modify the terms of the Premier Election Amendment 2018 (19th Constitutional Amendment). This means that it is a constitutional amendment - and needs to be drafted as such - which in turn means that I can't sign it, and will need to go to public referendum.

    2/ What happens if the previous premier has CTE'd/been recalled/been ejected? This is not covered in the current draft...
     
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  11. Nathaniel Penrose

    Nathaniel Penrose Minister of Domestic Affairs Minister Central Committee PRAF

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    Ok I’ll modify it into an amendment then (which seems to be the current trend with all my bills lol). As for ejection, I did cover that but not CTE. I’ll modify it accordingly.
     
  12. Nathaniel Penrose

    Nathaniel Penrose Minister of Domestic Affairs Minister Central Committee PRAF

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    Alright it’s an amendment now. Any more things I may have overlooked?
     
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  13. Vlad Schpilkes

    Vlad Schpilkes Minister of Intelligence Minister Central Committee PRC Member PRAF

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    This still doesn't explain what would happen in the case that a Premier is ejected from office.
    The schedule is wrong. It should say "The principal act shall come into force immediately upon passage of the Central Committee with a 2/3 majority and with the passage of a referendum.
     
  14. Nathaniel Penrose

    Nathaniel Penrose Minister of Domestic Affairs Minister Central Committee PRAF

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    Schedule is fixed. I've also added something that should account for the scenario you proposed.
     
  15. Glorious Leader of Glorystan

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    I think it would be better for the GS to select the interim premier if the last one was ejected. The bill doesnt cover the case in witch the last two premiers are MIA.
     
  16. Nathaniel Penrose

    Nathaniel Penrose Minister of Domestic Affairs Minister Central Committee PRAF

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    Instead of them selecting it, we could just have them oversee the election in the Premier’s place if the last serving Premier was ejected.
     
  17. Vlad Schpilkes

    Vlad Schpilkes Minister of Intelligence Minister Central Committee PRC Member PRAF

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    I don't like the idea of the Premier's predecessor taking over. Let's just make the position of interim Premier appointed by the GS.
     
  18. Nathaniel Penrose

    Nathaniel Penrose Minister of Domestic Affairs Minister Central Committee PRAF

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    I feel that would complicate things even more. Instead, why don’t we just extend the term of the Premier until a new one is elected?
     
  19. Vlad Schpilkes

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    The problem with that is that it does not account for if the previous Premier went MIA. It makes it a lot more simple to make the position appointed by the Premier. This makes it so there is one thing that has to happen, and accounts for all of the mentioned scenarios.
     
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    Why do we need to worry about who does the vote? Can't it just be the first person to do it following the close of the elections?
     

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