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  1. Pytor Petrovsky

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    Office of The General Secretary


    Fellow members of The Party,

    First of all, I want to personally thank each and everyone of you for reading this at this time and for voting on the past election cycle. I also want to take the time to congratulate every single candidate hopeful for your creative proposals and not politicizing the election cycle around controversial topics.

    A recent proposed Constitutional Amendment has me and my administration concerned and alarmed, due to the nature and reasoning behind this Amendment. After several failed attempts of negotiations and cooperation by my administration, the Central Committee repealed Executive Order #004: Creation of the Workers' Party Civil Service. An organization meant to provide ministers with assistance regarding matters of volunteering.

    During the discussion of the repeal, I assigned my Chief of Staff to issue a government response to the Central Committee if the Executive Order was ever repealed: if it was, the Executive will undergo a full restructure of the Ministries to ensure constant activity and efficiency, something protected by Executive Privilege and Our Constitution.

    The 12th Constitutional Amendment, as seen by the administration, is a reactionary and rushed counter-measure to the government response of the Repeal of EO#004.

    This amendment is an overstep of Executive Privilege, Separation of Powers and a clear breach of the foundations of Democracy.

    The current executive administration has attempted to negotiate a retraction of the Amendment, to no avail and with a hesitant and uncooperative Central Committee.

    I am genuinely concerned and disappointed that the Central Committee does not wish to cooperate and find common ground with the Administration, in the name of our region and The People.

    I want to ask every single Central Committee member and Citizens of our glorious region:

    • Do we really need this amendment right now?
    • Why do we need a Constitutional Amendment? Why not instead an legislative act?

    We have more important issues that we need to address than a Constitutional Amendment, right now the administration is divided on an issue that the People of The Communist Bloc does not care about, only petty politicians who want to advance their own agenda are concerned about this.

    We are following the same road as the September Revolution: controversial and rushed discussions that are dividing us, and into an extent, is breaking down the basic functions of our democracy and hindering the interests of the Bloc.

    There are more important things we can do, instead of attacking each branch without reasoning, we need to look for cooperation and common-ground.

    Let us not focus on our own agendas, but instead focus on the future stability of the Bloc!



    Now I will be taking questions from the public and press.


    Long Live the Revolution,
    Long Live the People's Republic,
    Long Live the Bloc!


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  2. George Milne

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    oh yeah i forgot. What was your answer to our ultimatum? We gave you an option, Amend in 24hrs or We will repeal, You choose to rather threaten than actually change it. so we took our fundimental right as the Central Committee balamce the powers of the Executive. Removing any such power is the foundation of which pure dictatorship lies, Removal of power from Democratic Representatives being able to check the power of unelected Officials is the basis of our and many Democracies, removing such can have disastrous consequences, Of which a major example of someone who did the same thing was Hitler. He took the power away from the Elected officails and removed their means to check the balance of power.

    So, My question Remains. If you were so worried about it being repealed, Why did you ignore our very reasonable notice for an amendment in 24hrs or we Repeal?
     
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    Once again I will ask the same question, as I did after you threaten repeal: What was the reasoning behind the repeal of Executive Order #004?
    There was no problems with the Executive Order, and as I stated: The Central Committee can amend such document as it pleases without any interference of the Executive.

    The Administration attempted to open dialogue and negotiations with the sponsors of the repeal, but the sponsors as well, threatened the Administration to repeal such bill, even before negotiations or a dialogue was started with the administration.

    After an exhaustive debate and review of EO#004 with the Chief of Staff and myself, we did not find any problems or negative effects that could impact the function of the government and/or minsitries. Why amend something that does not require change?

    The checks and balances have been present since the inception of the People's Republic and our Constitution: as a sponsor and an experienced legislator yourself, repealing EO#004 was the check and balance. It is now repealed, once again hindering the progress of our region for a more effective and active government, but I do respect and uphold the outcome and the decision taken by the Central Committee.

    This amendement is a reactionary counter-measure which is poorly planned and with intentional nature.


    With all due respect CCM George Milne, but what is your point here?

    I will ask you to please read once again Executive Order #004, and please the following questions:
    • Does EO#004 state anything about removing powers from the Ministers?
    • Have you read Article III (10) of our Constitution?
    • Is there any mentions about removing powers from "democratic representatives"?
    • Is there any mention of removing the check and balances between the branches of this government?
    • Why are you comparing this Executive Order to Hitler's disgusting actions?
    I will explain once again, what is the reasoning and intentions behind Executive Order #004:


    I did not ignore you, my administration and myself attempted to negotiate with the sponsors of the motion, they did not wish to cooperate or negotiate. As such, I did not cooperate with the "friendly notice" that the sponsors gave me and my administration.
     
  4. George Milne

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    is removes powers from ministers over control in their department, not only that it just allows an unelected person to move volunteers without even consulting the minister or regarding personal relations/skills. why should some random unelected person be allowed to move a volunteer without their consent or regard to their skills. it create a Power position that is redundant. Useless Bureaucracy at its best.
    well, your Chief of Staff, Said "that the Chief of staff has the final say when it ckmes to any one helping the ministries" so yeah. and ive got a screenshot you want it.
    yep,
    taken very much out of context. I compared to measures taken to create a centralised power give a small group of individuals more and more power.
    you didnt even respond to it. Also gave you a chance of at least 72 hours (on record) to amend it to give ministers the final say and remove the director position.
     
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    anyway, i will not answer further questions as its not my press release and so i am of no duty to answer any questions.
     
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    You seem to forget that Ministers are not elected.
     
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    You seem to forget that they know the skills and individuals that they need to run their department effectively rather than having some random buracrat force them to work with those that do not get on or posses the skills required.
     
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    No, its says the Workers Party Civil Service is for volunteers, which suggests that ministers retain their power. I do not believe it leads to bureaucracy, but now I think it could help the ministers, considering how much work in real life and as a minister they have.
     
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    Not what the director said, look at screenshot, clearly says that he has the final say and can therefore move any volunteer without of skill or personal work relations. It gives a faceless buracrat power that is not required without thought to how a department is run. The director himself said that it was so he could draft volunteers between ministries depending on the manpower needed, which basically means regardless of skill, interest or work relations as soon as you sign up you are fully controlled by a buracrat and could be denied to do the only thing your, good at, want to do, have time to, or resign. It's just not gonna help. Assigning people to jobs based on workLoad is okay, but it's like making an armless man do the discus rather than his area of expertise, sprinting.
     
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    The director is there to help manage, he does not have more power over the minister, who could override the directors decision.
     
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    better inform the director so, he thinks otherwise.
     
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    Ministers are unelected and appointed individual's due to the nature of their job. Even though Executive Order #004 doesn't state anything related or opposing the skill-set of a volunteer, it was planned that the management of volunteering was going to be skill-based: is a volunteer a good designer? Ministry of Information. Ministers require creativity, innovation and activity, not some fancy campaign thread with political ambitions. Now that I think about it, that sounds very bureaucratic.

    As the Consitution states, the administration may run its Executive functions at will. I could've used Executive Privilege and just create the Department without the consent of the Central Committee, but I made the WPCS because I wanted input and the opinion from the Central Committee regarding this department because I knew that the WPCS could be better, but we all know how that ended.

    You have seen the TCB Drive CCM, we have exactly five spreadsheets per ministry and around 6-7 ministerial volunteering signup threads. Don't you think that the process can be less... bureaucratic? This is why I made EO#004: To remove bureaucracy from the Ministries and open citizen volunteering to every end of the government.
    The Chief of Staff is not Executive Order #004. One is a bill, another is a human. The one who interprets the law is the Judicial Branch.

    Once again: is there anything in Executive Order #004 stating that "the Chief of Staff has the final say when it comes to helping the Ministries"?
    Yeah I do not think so.

    Don't you understand? The EO#004 wasn't a government coup the Enabling Act of 1933 or a dictatorship installment: it was a simple organization to help out Ministers on volunteering matter. You are treating this bill as the end of the world, and that is extremely disappointing.

    Yes, at first I did not respond because I have a good habit of keeping everything public (like Cabinet Chat), instead of privately behind closed doors, and of not responding to threats.

    I am grateful that the sponsors of this illegal repeal gave me 72 hours. Even after several attempted negotiations, even going as far as stating that the Central Committee can amend the bill whenever they want, and I would not oppose the measure.

    I see that you decided to skip two particular questions that are essential and necessary for the reasoning behind the repeal of EO#004 to be valid, so I will be answering for you:

    • Is there any mentions about removing powers from "democratic representatives"? No.
    • Is there any mention of removing the check and balances between the branches of this government? No.

    Indeed, and I respect your decision. In the end, you will answer not to me, but to the People of The Communist Bloc.
     
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    So, a Good designer is going to volunteer at the Ministry of Domestic affairs because they think that they could be useful? No. They will volunteer at the Ministry they have the time for and Want to be involved in. People aren't stupid and will know where their skills are best applied. And as they know their own skills better than anyone, they would be the better judge of that. Don't you think?
    Well wrong name for the same person. Your Director says that he has the final say and in that very disscussion, of which you were active before and active the comment you failed to correct him. Explaination?
    Well, then. if everything is public, Publish the entire Skype chat. Nope? Okay. We asked you in that Skype chat and many others to amend it, with our lists of changes. As you wanted our input that was ours, but you didn't do anything. As we were LEGALLY allowed to do, by the constitution, we repealed it. Meaning that if we ever go against any of your decisions and request a change, we are threatening and all actions we then take "illegal action" by following our constitution.
    Congrats.
    Calling the 12th amendment reactionary and petty is nice of you by the way, but also calling an amendment that tries to improve the checks and balances between the Branches of government petty and reactionary is very much clearly in favour of the improvement of democracy I'm sure. As improve the checks and balances are bad and undemocratic. Also first one, yes sorry about that. Got caught up between two topic discussions, anyway.
     
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    It seems the Executive Branch is pretty scared to lose one of its unchecked powers. Instead of supporting the checks and balances we want to impose, to make our democracy healthier, you instead use childish name-calling. Truly sad, if I may say myself.
    And concerning the EO4, we tried to cooperate with you. It was you and Lewis who would not cooperate. In the end, my final request was that you simply amend the EO to say that Ministers get the final say. I said if you didn't accept that, we would put the repeal to a vote in 24 hours, and I would vote aye. We gave you more than 24 hours, and you still didn't even reply to my ultimatum. So stop trying to sound like you were so great and trying to compromise, you would not even respond to my requests
     
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    We did respond to your requests, we reviewed the EO and then informed you that we did not believe it needed a change. You had not even give it a chance to actually start going before your reactionary tendencies caused you to demand we amend it and then repeal it.
     
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    Explain to me exactly how our actions were reactionary, we followed the Constitution. I didn't want to have to repeal, but you forced us to because you would not give into any demand, however small the demand was
     
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    Don't you see the point that I made: "it was planned that the management of volunteering of the WPCS was going to be skill-based".

    It means that the WPCS wouldn't just throwaway skills, but it would allocate the volunteer to a Ministry depending on his or her's ability, skills and experience, if any.

    Do you know what is throwing away? A person who is willing to volunteer in two or three ministries, apply for volunteering in three different threads and wait for the response of the Ministry, which in hand, could take days. The WPCS was made to handle the volunteering process with efficiency.

    Sadly, I have a job that takes most of my time, and I cannot keep up with everything that is happening in my administration. If EO#004 states that the Director has the final say, then it is like that, but it isn't. Because EO#004 does not state that.
    You can surely request the release of the Skype chat to the Supreme Tribunal via a RoI after the Government Transparency Act passes.
    I think I didn't make it clear:

    There was nothing wrong with the bill, you were threatening the administrations with: you change it or we repeal it.

    Do you think that with that type of attitude will get us anywhere? Do you really think we're expecting submitting ourselves to your demands? This type of gridlock and petty drama-politics will lead us nowhere.

    Just like the fact that the Central Committee was left 29% of the Bloc unrepresented because the sponsors of this repeal ignored the Administration's advice on postponing the vote until the vacant seats were filled: This is truly undemocratic.



    Childish name-calling? Who am I name calling? I am respectfully addressing every single issue that we have, though I can feel my sarcasm senses getting into some of my responses.

    Yes, I am genuinely scared, but not of the reasons that you might expect or think. I am scared the effects and empowerment that this will give the Central Committee in the long-term. Future administrations can be in the same position as my administration: at the mercy of some uncooperative Central Committee members.

    Remember when ministerial oversight from the Central Committee was an actual proposal? This is the same thing, this will reduce innovation in the government, increase the chances of gridlock politics and will practically undermine the promises of future administrations policies.

    Checks and balances must be fair and logical, and at the same level between the branches, not empowering one over the other. Once again I want to ask the sponsors of this amendment: What is the nature and reasoning behind this amendment?


    The debate is over: this amendment is poorly planned, unnecessary bureaucracy, reactionary in-nature and unfair for a democratically-elected government.
     
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    People now their own skills better than anyone else? Yes. So they can judge where their skills are best suited? Yes. People who want to volunteer will know which ministry they want to volunteer in, also where they are best suited both time wise and Skills wise.
     
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    Oh so we are being uncooperative? Even though we compromised on the 12th amendment, when Lewis asked to add the referendum and he would abstain.
    The Administration hasn't cooperated or compromised on anything, however we have made efforts that have been ignored.

    We shall retract the amendment as an attempt to mend relations, however we do expect cooperation and consultation in return
     
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